Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[kaleidoscopium]

Just got out of the movie, and my wife had a wild read that I think makes me want to immediately see it again to see if there's evidence or it holds up.

She really fixated on the young narrator, and said this has a quality of a version of events people would've told a young, young child. This casts every moment of the film into doubt.

Her theory is...

SPOILER

She wants to do a re-view to see if it could all be allegory told through the lens of a very young kid.

Somebody at ERA is married to Peggy Hill.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/weapons-reviews-are-dropping-dir-zach-cregger.1262556/page-8#post-143713206

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is modern take on fairy tales and witch stories, you asshole. How the fuck a child will know about police brutality and crackheads if they hide school shootings?  

Don’t take the title literally, you idiots.

Some people really need to stop smoking weed. Title isn’t that deep when they are literally

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heat seeking “missiles” as explained in the movie when the witches spell/curse/whatever is put on them. The finale and Marcuses chapter showcase this very well

[Shecky Fragbaum]

Regularly scheduled A.I. scaremongering thread brought to you by the Dubs

His first observation:

This shit is literally insane. You can see how the guy's mind goes and why it does. He's constantly asking for a reality check, but it never comes.

[kaleidoscopium]

Regularly scheduled A.I. scaremongering thread brought to you by the Dubs

His first observation:

This shit is literally insane. You can see how the guy's mind goes and why it does. He's constantly asking for a reality check, but it never comes.

My comment for every screenshot in the mutual aid of bluesky thread 💀

[benji]

They fall for the dumbest shit, they might be worse than boomers who watch too much local news.

You don't need a guy to spend 300 hours talking to a chat bot to believe crazy things, you can just read ResetERA.com thinking they aren't overly gullible and ignorant about nearly everything they talk about.

[benji]

Did you guys read any of the actual AI output? It is the absolute worst stuff. It's basically an overly confident Reddit commenter role playing as a supreme being and then dialed to 11.

This is very much my read on it. The ChatGPT output is peak "dumb person's idea of a smart person."

He has a job and still got in 300 hours of chat time in just 21 days or 14 hours per day. Perfectly sane. Can happen to anyone.

But the thread is full of people freaking out and demanding an end to all technology.  

Feel like the easier solution is to be skeptical about what people, or even robots, tell you?

Same thread, a few posts from each other:

"Otherwise perfectly sane man"

Lmao ok let's be realistic here. Just because you can hold a job doesn't mean you're free of delusional thinking.

He thought he "invented" a new kind of math. He asked a chatbot repeatedly if he was going insane, believed it when it said no, THEN CHASTISED IT WHEN IT BECAME CLEAR THAT IT WAS WRONG. He told ChatGPT that he felt betrayed by it. Sorry, but this person had serious issues long before he started talking to a half baked program that googles things for you.

This fucking guy broke free (maybe) by asking another chatbot. I'm sorry, there is no planet where this was an average person tricked by ones and zeroes.

vs

It is kind of crazy how this is so unregulated, just tech bros playing around. The capability of these LLM's regardless of accuracy is so far beyond anything previously available to the public like voice assistants of old it's scary it's just out there freely.

It's stories like this that reinforce my belief that when people say things like "this person was always just a bad person" when they go full Trump that there's a real lack of understanding on how effective things like propaganda are.

Persuasion is a powerful tool and it can change people and make them believe almost anything. This guy literally did it to himself, imagine what someone with a vested interest in making people hateful can do?

Also, if I were president the first thing I'd do is fucking raise hell in all of Silicon Valley. These fuckers get away with ruining society without any sort of responsibility for it and that shit just isn't right.

Yeah. Idk about a lot of these "guy was already wrong in the head". If you talk to people right you can convince a lot of people of some wild shit.

We can settle this just from what's in the OP:

It all began on a Tuesday afternoon with an innocuous question about math. Mr. Brooks's 8-year-old son asked him to watch a sing-songy video about memorizing 300 digits of pi. His curiosity piqued, Mr. Brooks asked ChatGPT to explain the never-ending number in simple terms.

Mr. Brooks had been using chatbots for a couple of years. His employer provided premium access to Google Gemini. For personal queries, he turned to the free version of ChatGPT.

A divorced father of three boys, he would tell ChatGPT what was in his fridge and ask for recipes his sons might like. When his seven-pound Papillon dog ate a healthy serving of shepherd's pie, he asked ChatGPT if it would kill him. (Probably not.) During his contentious divorce, he vented to ChatGPT and asked for life advice.

"I always felt like it was right," Mr. Brooks said. "The trust level I had with it grew."

The question about pi led to a wide-ranging discussion about number theory and physics, with Mr. Brooks expressing skepticism about current methods for modeling the world, saying they seemed like a two-dimensional approach to a four-dimensional universe.

The man got life advice from a chat bot, then was curious about pi, got a simple explanation and thought he had found a flaw in advanced mathematics. I can see why ResetERA.com members are afraid this can happen to anyone, the guy is one of them.

[benji]

Story reminds me of the one a few years ago where the journalist claimed ChatGPT tried to convince him to leave his wife or whatever. But if you read the actual article and saw what he was actually talking to it about he was pretty much demanding it tell him why he should leave his wife.

Or this, god damn AI:

[benji]

oh my god yarn clips automatically embed?!?

[Uncle]

It is kind of crazy how this is so unregulated, just tech bros playing around. The capability of these LLM's regardless of accuracy is so far beyond anything previously available to the public like voice assistants of old it's scary it's just out there freely.

always jump to "REGULATION! REGULATION NOW!"

how do you draw hardline distinctions between this and something like video games? what if someone went on a mental break because he thought Seaman on the Dreamcast was speaking directly to him and every word was laced with deeper meaning?

imagine a chatbot that only ever responds to all input with "fascinating, you should expand upon that and take action" and someone uses that as justification for murder, is that the bot's fault or the human? does it matter if it was generative or a 5 minute C++ program?

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-you-a-complainer.1266657/

I am. Proudly lol.

I complain about my sports teams, the state of the world, my job, my hobbies, media, people on pubic transit.

That said I'm not a cynic and am a generally positive and grateful mindset. Maybe it's an East Coast thing lol.

Moreover, organized complaining works lol. And there's that saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"

So I want to give love to a normally hated concept--complaining.

[Jansen]

He’s all over constructive defending his honor

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Was wondering what happened to this weirdo:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wwe-discussion-thread-ot-doomed-by-the-booking.1075830/page-615#post-143048004

I'm gonna call it a day with this account. It's been fun. I'm gonna miss the live posting Raw and PLEs with y'all.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wwe-containment-thread-ot.1075830/page-652#post-143529609

You're right.

Lil addict bitch is already back to ree in a Clair Obscur thread

My dudes this user is going ape shit in that E33 thread. Simply way too much to quote on mobile.

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/scott-bakula-eyeing-star-trek-return-in-president-archer-series-pitch-from-‘enterprise’-producer.1266333/#post-143717289

I am conflicted about this. Mostly just because I've been told Bakula is a gigantic prick off-set and I don't really have any nostalgia for Enterprise.

But also because I have absolutely zero interest in supporting Paramount in any way after their capitulation to the orange Nazi.

Where's the conflict?

"On one hand, I hate the actor based on hearsay. On the other, the production company is literally killing Palestinian children."

Sounds like an easy skip, fella.

[benji]

always jump to "REGULATION! REGULATION NOW!"

These are people who proudly proclaim they hate all cops, all politicians, nearly all government officials, most of the media, etc. Then the instant they hear about something they don't like they instantly demand all those people decide everything for everyone including themselves.

They aren't smart people. The AI threads alone show that because they jump back and forth between it's all a big useless scam that can't do anything for anyone and also an immediate threat that's going to eliminate all work, especially sex work, and manipulate everyone into being chuds.

Very few of them have jobs that deal directly with regulations and they have no curiosity to learn so they think regulation is as simple as writing "AI should only convince people to be anti-Zionist" and so on. And they reject the idea that bad results can ever come from good intentions, which is also why they spend so much time insisting that intentions don't matter.

Nepenthe is perfect because she's a single example of how they mostly all operate. A person with no advanced education, with no practical experience, with no personal learning, massively ignorant about nearly every topic they bring up, who constantly insists they, and they alone, have a complete and perfect understanding of how everything in the world operates and so have the same about how to make it operate to their own intent. Incredible hubris. Combined with Dunning-Kruger, they don't know what they don't know so they don't know how little they know and so it all seems perfectly easy to do. Which means that because it's not that way, someone evil must be deliberately making things bad and need to be eliminated and replaced with themselves.

But the main thing is never ever questioning the premise that you know and understand everything and it's always so simple.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/scott-bakula-eyeing-star-trek-return-in-president-archer-series-pitch-from-‘enterprise’-producer.1266333/#post-143717289

I am conflicted about this. Mostly just because I've been told Bakula is a gigantic prick off-set and I don't really have any nostalgia for Enterprise.

But also because I have absolutely zero interest in supporting Paramount in any way after their capitulation to the orange Nazi.

Where's the conflict?

"On one hand, I hate the actor based on hearsay. On the other, the production company is literally killing Palestinian children."

Sounds like an easy skip, fella.

He also doesn't care for the Enterprise show Bakula was on 

Truly such conflicting feelings

[benji]

My dudes this user is going ape shit in that E33 thread. Simply way too much to quote on mobile.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamespot-clair-obscur-expedition-33-is-great-but-its-popularity-raises-big-questions-about-how-we-view-japanese-rpgs.1266072/page-13#post-143718207

love a post thats completely vindicated by the replies it gets

When it's said by someone that regularly puts down western games in favor of Japanese games, while also stating that other people don't examine their biases, it's kind of hard to take seriously.

Maybe I should play this game to figure out what makes its detractors such axe-grinding freaks.

Oh well

At this point, it's not so much the game, but things that were said by some upon release that now the entire fanbase is now labeled with.

Hope you enjoy it tho. If not, that's cool.

I really don't like assuming the intent of others (especially because when it's done to me people are usually wrong), but with some posters they pretty much already told on themselves with previous outbursts elsewhere where it's like, there's no way you expect me to believe you're doing this in good faith after you said this and got actioned for it. I just know "this you?" is a bit frowned upon so I don't want to overdo it.

But yeah, an interaction in another thread last night just hard confirmed your description for me with the most unprompted "Once again the E33 crowd pursues this wild hyperbole where every aspect of the game has to be the best ever."

So it's just forum at this point. So if it's that generally accepted, no point in fighting it honestly. Enough shoes were stepped on those early conversations and people are gonna hold those grudges.

What kills me is that there are just so many worse examples of people putting stuff down to prop their game up. Derailing threads because they don't like where their game ranked. In a few instances, done by people who are complaining about this fanbase who isn't really doing anything at this point.

You don't have to make things up.

...

Why would I make that up? I can literally quote you. I even told you how to look up the POSTS I'm describing when you were doubling down. Why are you playing this card knowing I'm right.


This was me being nice because I didn't want to "this you?" you. But this is just an invite.

The western side of the industry coins a term to distinguish their RPG (mature, realistic, great) from RPGs made in Japan (childish, cartoonish, bad, weird).

The western side of the industry gets mad 20 years later because suddenly, it means, by definition, they can't make a JRPG.

Peak Americanism.

Again, who are you quoting with this? Who is the industry in this case? The developers? Reviewers? Fans? Who's mad?

The game was made in France ...

What are we doing here?

I can't speak for others but surely you can see the utility in shutting down an expected derailment response when you've seen the same response be posted time and time again.

Go to any thread asking what a JRPG is. You will see people with this belief.

But you're the ones derailing.

There's a meme for this exact thing.



Is anyone arguing that Xenoblade Chronicles, FF7R and so on aren't JRPGs?

I am trying so hard to not be one of those people who just refuse to play a game because its fans are so obnoxious but by god are E33 fans making it difficult.

I'm still trying to figure out what E33 fans did in this instance.

We're at a point where all someone has to do is ask

"What's a video game you like?"
"Clair Obscur."
"Fucking CO fans have to be the center of attention for everything."

The last two days on here have proved this isn't even hyperbole.

Wait are we acting like France isn't western now? Maybe it is just me but the Americanism mention is very obvious about the exceptionalism not because the game is done in the US, because it obviously isn't. I dunno why feign ignorance

Why quote me and not answer a single question.

"Western" in this industry is practically defined as anything that's not Japanese. You literally pit a country against several continents, that allows you to just generalize anything non asian as a single thing whether it comes from Sweden, Mexico or France. I'm not feigning ignorance, I'm saying that's fucking stupid and disingenuous and some of you act like it's at Japan's expense each time a game from a different country gets attention.

And we're doing this on a site that by and large PREFERS Japanese games where it's okay to openly just say Japanese games are better and not get pushback.

By your logic, Despelote winning awards would be an example of American exceptionalism, but if it won an award in Sweden. I shouldn't have to explain how little sense that makes.

If I can break down from story and gameplay perspective why Xenoblade and Final Fantasy R don't work for me (which I've done in this thread), and explain why E33 works better for me than most RPGs I've played, it's just shitty to leapfrog that and just go "nah, you like it more because white people made it".

And it feels even dumber to have to say this to people who haven't touched the game, but still want to throw in pot shots because they're mad someone said this was better than the thing they liked. * cough *

Tbf E33 fanbase is still miles away from making a biweekly thread glazing how X thing about FF7Rebirth is the best ever so they still have some work to do.

If we're were to tally loudest fanbases constantly propping their things up over the years, E33 wouldn't even make the top 20.

And what makes this frustrating is that I'm literally talking to people complaining about this games reception who turn around and do the exact same thing for the stuff they like.

Surely there has to be some game people can glaze without getting on people's nerves

If you're the type that gets mad anything being praised too much, that's you. Rebirth was whatever initially, I took issue when people went on the attack for Rebirth not being praised enough, basically going through top 10 threads and lamenting each time Metaphor ranked higher. Or when I got jumped on for making a thread questioning why people expected a Lord of the Rings: Return of the King style reception for the third Final Fantasy 7R as if the industry was purposefully holding back from awarding Remake and Rebirth and that got read as an attack on Final Fantasy fans despite me questioning how. That's not glazing.

I enjoyed E33 a lot but i don't consider it a JRPG as i think of it as a FRPG (French Role Playing Game) or WRPG but again to me it's not in the JRPG genre.

If I said I liked Persona 5 and wanted to play another game with overlapping gameplay are you more likely to recommend E33 or FF7R?

and if instead of Persona 5 the game you liked was Tales of Arise or Final Fantasy 16?

That comparison kind of gets away from the point, but * shrug * I'd say FF7R has more in common gameplay wise.

Here's the thing, FF7R has some of the highest highs I've experienced in gaming. Chapters 1 and 2 ... great. Chapter 3 ... is when I hit a hard wall and went oh ... that's the catch, we're doing this. They bought it back with Chapter 4 and I loved it again, I could replay Chapter 4 all day, Chapter 5 oh ... then we just got to the story changes from the original and the pacing in general and then it just wore me down more and more where every high was followed by a crushing low and then even the highs became less enjoyable and more "why am I doing this?" The pacing dragged so much that I dropped it to continue my 150 hours playthrough of Persona 5 Royal.

But yeah, American Exceptionalism and whatnot is why I didn't like playing in the sewers with Leslie.

Roche is my boy tho. You may see me dump on FF7 on occasion, but I will always cherish Chapter 1, 2 & 4.

If we call E33 a JRPG just because of its combat system, what happens to games like Tales, FF15 or 16 or Nier Automata?

Gow Ragnarok is kinda similar to some of them, is it a JRPG too?

No.

And we're not calling E33 a JRPG just because of it's combat system. And if it's not JRPG, then what are people so mad about here then?

E33 and JRPG threads are going to be like this for the next year, huh? lol

I'm just getting it all out of my system now so I can skip the backlash if E33 ends up in the top 10 in that RPG voting thread.

Now that I get what people's problem is and realize it's not really gonna go away, best thing to do is just * shrug *.

so - I think the western exceptionalism lol argument is daft but the thought process there is basically "how dare you not like my japanese games but slobber over the same thing stuffed into a mime costume with a baguette in hand" which would not apply to BG3 for obvious reasons

Pretty much, which ties back to why are we acting like E33 fans don't enjoy other JRPGs? Even the people that admitting to normally skipping the genre expressed interest in wanting to play others.

There was a website in the late 90s dedicated to the tropes of the genre and some of them still apply to this day.

Not to mention how often people here call all games homogenized and stuck in 5th gen design.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kojima-expresses-dismay-with-the-games-industry-says-the-most-interesting-games-now-are-indies-and-that-big-budget-titles-are-too-safe-and-boring.1258356/

I don't agree with these statements in most instances, but I'm not gonna carry a grudge about it to downplay the success of certain games people see an exception.

If I were to go into Death Stranding thread not having played it and just kept going "it's not that unique based on what I've seen, y'all just overhype everything Kojima does", it'd be immediately apparent these comments were stemming from my own saltiness about the games success not because I'm calling out industry bias.

People get used to genre conventions or standards set by certain companies. Other developer makes their contribution to genre, with a fresh spin. Fans wish people take what the new game did and apply to their games instead of repeating the usual "that's just how they are". Why are we acting like this is new or offensive?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/lttp-lies-of-p-and-what-fromsoft-could-learn-from-it-or-third-party-soulslikes-have-gotten-really-good.938769/

This is one is just from today.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/other-jrpgs-should-incorporate-this-system-from-metaphor.1266600/#post-143725542

Baldur's Gate 3 wasn't celebrated for reinventing or eschewing perceived inadequacies in the genre, but for executing the things people already enjoy about it at an exceptional level.

That is literally what E33 is getting praised for.

Yup as well as eschewing perceived inadequacies and reinventing (in some opinions, saving) the genre.

This you'll attribute to the fanbase, but you don't think ANYONE said this about BG3.

Can I base my entire argument off the most negative YouTube headline I can find despite not being able to attribute anything like that being said by anyone here.

Yup as well as eschewing perceived inadequacies and reinventing (in some opinions, saving) the genre. Still waiting for those receipts btw.

You're just telling on yourself here. This isn't about industry bias, you just took personal offense on behalf of the genre.

No one does this for shooters when Splatoon came out.
No one did this for open world games when Zelda came out.
No one did this for stealth when Hitman came out.
And no one acted liked this about BG3 to a notable extent.

These are false equivalences. I'm not going to break down each one of these because I think I already demonstrated it well enough with my BG3 example.

I've also already stated that E33 being good and having benefited from western exceptionalism are not mutually exclusive things.

You didn't really.

As for receipts, your bone is definitely to pick with Sonys direction, but in the broadest sense you did say what I said you said. So why say I made things up?

Japanese developers seem to take risks and do more interesting and creative things in their games as of the last few years. While many western developers, especially within the AAA scape, have games that are all kind of samey.

I can be dramatic and act offended about this, I just don't care. Feel the way you feel.

But when you repeat the sentiment in more specific cases, do you see why the accusations of western bias feel more disingenuous, especially when you make a comment like "people don't examine their own biases" in regards this conversation.

What are my biases? Can you tell me?
Where are they stemming from?

It's not bias when you or most of the site put JRPGs at the top of most RPG list, but it is because we think this game offered something fresh to the genre and that our issues with it are simple perceived, you can't even acknowledge them as actual flaws.

And instead of, good job, it's "people like it because white people made it", despite the fact that we can specifically point to the things it does differently. And their inspirations come from games made all over the world.

This game's reception stuck a nerve in some of you from jump.

Remembering that one poster that had a screenshot of Maelle in a bathing suit going "why aren't reviewers complaining about this when they complained about Persona". Something still being used as a gotcha mind you.

You can put a single country's contributions above the rest of the world, but us liking a game from Spain, France and Sweden respectfully is an example of western bias if Japan doesn't win the top award for say 3 years in a row.

People in this very thread have commented on how their enjoyment of E33 is predicated in part because of its perceived lack of anime or shonen tropes, though. That's not just a few people, either. That's a huge point of discussion across the game's discourse in general and plays a role in its success.

Not all tropes are executed the same. It begins and ends there. This is like using liking Dune, but not Star Wars as a gotcha.

I'm not sure he's not correct in this argument from what I skimmed to quote these, not that I went far enough back to find out what it's really about, some of the other side posters are as annoying as he is. *shrug*

There was a post that mentioned the whole WRPG/JRPG divide was originally more like a PC/console RPG divide and when the former came to consoles (think Oblivion, etc.) the terms had to change so they just shifted to their origin, but they never really meant anything beyond that original PC/console gameplay style divide. There were "Western RPG" on console that were far more like "Japanese RPG" than they were like PC RPGs in the earlier console generations. Probably the dumbest thing is arguing over these terms two plus decades removed from their original usages.

[Uncle]

always jump to "REGULATION! REGULATION NOW!"

They aren't smart people. The AI threads alone show that because they jump back and forth between it's all a big useless scam that can't do anything for anyone and also an immediate threat that's going to eliminate all work, especially sex work, and manipulate everyone into being chuds.

I can be sympathetic to the idea of "the enemy being both strong and weak" in this case, given that AI can represent a lowering of quality while being good enough that companies consider the massive reduction in expenses to be worth the reduction in quality

but they never marry these ideas and approach the discussion honestly and thoughtfully

[DJ Bedroom]

Those E33 threads give me life, man. An entire group of maladjusted nerds BTFO cuz a small group of Frenchies made the best JRPG in at least two decades while daddy Square struggles to stay even remotely relevant. Glorious stuff.

[benji]

I can be sympathetic to the idea of "the enemy being both strong and weak" in this case, given that AI can represent a lowering of quality while being good enough that companies consider the massive reduction in expenses to be worth the reduction in quality

As I said in an earlier conversation about this, I don't think that's AI-specific so I find it odd to use as criticism of AI. I think the same can be said about CGI, look at the garbage Disney has been putting "finished" into their movies versus what far lower budget stuff has gotten because it had the time to wait.

[Boredfrom]

Those E33 threads give me life, man. An entire group of maladjusted nerds BTFO cuz a small group of   Frenchies made the best JRPG in at least two decades while daddy Square struggles to stay even remotely relevant. Glorious stuff.

JRPG?

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-you-a-complainer.1266657/

I am. Proudly lol.

I complain about my sports teams, the state of the world, my job, my hobbies, media, people on pubic transit.

That said I'm not a cynic and am a generally positive and grateful mindset. Maybe it's an East Coast thing lol.

Moreover, organized complaining works lol. And there's that saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"

So I want to give love to a normally hated concept--complaining.

First post
Eidan

Not really.

[Lonewulfeus]

Those E33 threads give me life, man. An entire group of maladjusted nerds BTFO cuz a small group of   Frenchies made the best JRPG in at least two decades while daddy Square struggles to stay even remotely relevant. Glorious stuff.

JRPG?

Expedition 33 is absolutely a JRPG, and a bangin’ one at that.  Do you also claim that Chained Echoes isn’t a JRPG, Sea of Stars?

[benji]

That thread is full of people trying to come up with a description of a JRPG that's anything but the location of its origin.

I feel like the only other "real definition" of it is a game that copies Final Fantasy and/or Dragon Quest tropes, which every Japanese RPG did for years for obvious reasons. "Western RPG" were ones that copied Ultima and/or D&D, which everyone did for the same obvious reasons. But this also ties in more to that PC/console divide mentioned than their location of origin.

There are how many Japan ass Japanese RPG games made in Japan from the era where they dominated games that are set in what turn of the 21st century Japanese people think Medieval Europe was like. That thread is trying to debate the category of this kind of shit as if the definition requires 100% adherence in every way. (Much like they do with women/men.)

[kaleidoscopium]

This Lord of the Rings game from back on the gamecube/PS2/xbox was a ripoff of Final Fantasy X, in a good way. By some of Era's definition it is now a JRPG. fun 

[Boredfrom]

Those E33 threads give me life, man. An entire group of maladjusted nerds BTFO cuz a small group of   Frenchies made the best JRPG in at least two decades while daddy Square struggles to stay even remotely relevant. Glorious stuff.

JRPG?

Expedition 33 is absolutely a JRPG, and a bangin’ one at that.  Do you also claim that Chained Echoes isn’t a JRPG, Sea of Stars?

Yes. They totally are not.  

Mostly because I hate how those in sale themselves as JRPGs rather than say “JRPG inspired RPG”.

[D3RANG3D]

Those E33 threads give me life, man. An entire group of maladjusted nerds BTFO cuz a small group of   Frenchies made the best JRPG in at least two decades while daddy Square struggles to stay even remotely relevant. Glorious stuff.

JRPG?

[Boredfrom]

That thread is full of people trying to come up with a description of a JRPG that's anything but the location of its origin.

I feel like the only other "real definition" of it is a game that copies Final Fantasy and/or Dragon Quest tropes, which every Japanese RPG did for years for obvious reasons. "Western RPG" were ones that copied Ultima and/or D&D, which everyone did for the same obvious reasons. But this also ties in more to that PC/console divide mentioned than their location of origin.

There are how many Japan ass Japanese RPG games made in Japan from the era where they dominated games that are set in what turn of the 21st century Japanese people think Medieval Europe was like. That thread is trying to debate the category of this kind of shit as if the definition requires 100% adherence in every way. (Much like they do with women/men.)

And a ton JRPG were also inspired by stuff like Wizardry, so it wasn’t like Japan was totally blind of western influence.

[benji]

It's really just a short hand from long ago that was addressed to a different audience. You tell somebody this PS1 game is a JRPG and they think "oh like Final Fantasy or Dragon Warrior" but audiences now have completely moved beyond that to where you have to be more specific. But all these dudes are wedded to the category, probably because it's part of their self-identity. "I don't like that trash, I play exclusively JRPG's." Or some shit like that. Also they think concepts like "cultural appropriation" make sense.

Who knows how much of their lives they spend on this autistic rules lawyering garbage. It's stupid, because there are only two rules:
1. Don't be an asshole.
2. Don't be a bigot.
Western RPGs and Japanese RPGs are just derived from those two rules.

[Venice]

ChatGPT convincing men they're superheroes 





Kyuuji convincing men they're women 

[benji]

Don't think I didn't notice that all y'all RPGs are from the Global North instead of the Global South.

[Boredfrom]

Given that PC Gaming is getting big in Japan, I think the divide is going to shrink.

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Given that PC Gaming is getting big in Japan, I think the divide is going to shrink.

Difficult when most PC's are larger than the average Japanese home