The #MutualAid Housewives of Bluesky County

[benji]

Isn't pain just referent to an internal contrast though?  How is that not the same as gender dysphoria?  Nobody "feels" their pain by using an external yardstick.  They know something is painful by the sense of contrast that never leaves the subjective conscious experience.  Wouldn't a trans person just claim they're in the "pain" state when their gender isn't being affirmed and in the "painless" state when it is?  Or would you just say that presupposes the conclusion because it is part of the delusion and they can't be trusted to self-report that kind of pain objectively?  That the pain comes after the delusion, not before it.

I think the problem with this is that you can experience not-pain and so can know pain. You can't experience not being a male/man. We can trust each others descriptions of pain versus not pain because of our common referent but we can't know what they're truly feeling. It's similar to the question of if you and I both see blue the same way, it's difficult because we've both always seen blue the same way and we can point at a bunch of shit and say "it's blue" but you can't truly know if I'm not seeing what you see as red. With those common referents we can reach understanding on pain or blue, but how would we do it on gender/sex? I think we can only do it by reifying stereotypes into replacing sex and that doesn't seem like an improvement. Maybe it is*, but it definitely isn't "shattering gender roles" or whatever they say.

Treating affirming their gender as solving the pain shouldn't be treated any different from telling someone they are too fat and should throw up more, that they are a brilliant metal guitarist or that they are in fact Napeoleon. You wouldn't do this, so why should you do it for gender? There's no explanation. It's claimed it's "easier" but this simply isn't the case, it's assigning everyone a duty to know everyone else's preferences at all times.

One of my biggest issues, perhaps from my own experience, is that whenever you read these people (for example Shreds) they aren't describing anything that has anything to do with gender, it's to do with just normal human shit. They just tie it to their gender because they have the delusional belief they can solve it with THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK that involves doing something nobody has ever done and cannot be achieved. It's again similar to eating disorders because the person can never be skinny enough, these dudes are never going to believe they're woman enough. Lesbians will always reject them, women will always reject them, etc. "Gender" isn't their problem and never will be.

I also think their chasing of "gender euphoria" is essential because it presupposes that cis people are feeling gender euphoria all the time. And we're not. These dudes are going "boy I feel bad, if I was just the right gender I'd be constantly happy." Yeah, no, everyone else around you is not constantly getting off at their sex aligning with their gender. They're again confusing their mental health issues for a gender issue because it allows them to outsource the pain rather than accept something is actually wrong with themselves.

We know it's not their gender because we can see how they always interpret it, like Shreds and his hair alone or anything else most of these dudes do to "pass" that's beyond lazy low effort and almost always talking about tits, for the trans men it's their obsessions with penises and beards. They never actually are delving into gender conceptually, they're basically just going "man I'd be hot as fuck if I had tits and people will do anything for a hot chick."

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