Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Nintex]

peligro

Prepárense para los problemas
Y más vale que teman
Para proteger al mundo de la devastación
Para unir a los pueblos dentro de nuestra nación
Para denunciar a los males de la verdad y el amor
Y extender nuestro reino hasta las estrellas

¡Jessie!
¡Jame-me-me-mes!
¡El Equipo Rocket viajando a la velocidad de la luz!
¡Ríndanse ahora o prepárense para luchar!
¡Meowth! ¡Así es!

I remember watching Pokemon first time in the motherland .  The Jame-me-me-mes line still gets me 

I WANT TO BE THE VERY BEST

NO ONE EVER WAS
 
TO CATCH THEM IS MY REAL TEST

TO TRAIN THEM IS MY CAUSE
 
I WILL TRAVEL ACROSS THE LAND

SEARCHING FAR AND WIDE
 
TO CATCH THEM TO UNDERSTAND

THE POWER THAT'S INSIDE

[BananaBlast]

link

So new Street Fighting woman, new aesthetic. How do folks feel?

Could've done without the ass shot in the trailer

Ass shot? You mean a reddit post about a freeze-frame screenshot of her flying through the air? 

She has an ass, she wears tights, do you expect it to just disappear?

If they add any of her older outfits, I sure hope it's this one and not the skimpy alt

Retarded fake worry. Literally every returning character has had their original/classic costume as their Costume 2.

[Snoopy]

I think I've come up with a solution for this sand people mess. It's so obvious I can't believe no one else has thought of it. What we do is combine them. Judaism and Islam = Jizzlam. Problem solved.

[Taco Bell Tower]

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So new Street Fighting woman, new aesthetic. How do folks feel?

Could've done without the ass shot in the trailer

Ass shot? You mean a reddit post about a freeze-frame screenshot of her flying through the air? 

She has an ass, she wears tights, do you expect it to just disappear?

If they add any of her older outfits, I sure hope it's this one and not the skimpy alt

Retarded fake worry. Literally every returning character has had their original/classic costume as their Costume 2.

They were hitting the screenshot button every second for the Lily upskirt shots 

[Boredfrom]

USA/Israel and Iran right now:

[Keetongu]

I don't usually call people this, but Zeo is a literal NPC. If he sees the word "retard" he is psychologically incapable of responding in any way other than "I see you're the kind of person who uses slurs, that means you're the one who is retarded- I mean stupid." I wonder if he was called that as a child or something, what else explains such a Pavlovian response?

[simiansmarts]

They were hitting the screenshot button every second for the Lily upskirt shots 

Imagine this but they're ranting about sexualization. 

[HaughtyFrank]

They were hitting the screenshot button every second for the Lily upskirt shots 

[Boredfrom]

f

I want to mention that yes, LAD is one of the bigger gacha games aimed towards women, but it has a huge problem with bigotry, esp netizens attacking BL artists for drawing BL fanart of the cast. I've def seen it happen on twitter and I swear it's for the dumbest reasons to attack artists for fanart and I know the official devs said No BL art already so just leave other people alone?

It's more of a reflection of the problem in otome games and why it's one of the reasons I quit them because instead of allowing the idea that FeMC can more than just XYZ, it ended up adding even more rigid gender rules and attracted way more homophobia, racism, and transphobia as seen in the Reddit sub as it gained more members over time.

Also, it doesn't feel great to say yes, there are games where you can collect anime men, but only if you're open to gambling and GAAS hell, with full knowledge it will shut down in 3-5 years and then lose everything in the end like what happened with Mr Love: Queen's Choice a few months ago which lasted much longer than I expected.

 

 Every year I go to check the current state of the game online in the longshot they add a lady to romance for lesbians and are met with a game and community being only less inclusive. :(

 

Bitch are you for real?

[BIONIC]

I think I've come up with a solution for this sand people mess. It's so obvious I can't believe no one else has thought of it. What we do is combine them. Judaism and Islam = Jizzlam. Problem solved.

Sounds like something filler would be the High Priest of tbh

[HaughtyFrank]

f

I want to mention that yes, LAD is one of the bigger gacha games aimed towards women, but it has a huge problem with bigotry, esp netizens attacking BL artists for drawing BL fanart of the cast. I've def seen it happen on twitter and I swear it's for the dumbest reasons to attack artists for fanart and I know the official devs said No BL art already so just leave other people alone?

It's more of a reflection of the problem in otome games and why it's one of the reasons I quit them because instead of allowing the idea that FeMC can more than just XYZ, it ended up adding even more rigid gender rules and attracted way more homophobia, racism, and transphobia as seen in the Reddit sub as it gained more members over time.

Also, it doesn't feel great to say yes, there are games where you can collect anime men, but only if you're open to gambling and GAAS hell, with full knowledge it will shut down in 3-5 years and then lose everything in the end like what happened with Mr Love: Queen's Choice a few months ago which lasted much longer than I expected.

 

 Every year I go to check the current state of the game online in the longshot they add a lady to romance for lesbians and are met with a game and community being only less inclusive. :(

 

Bitch are you for real?

"Why is this game that targets hetero women not targeting me?"



(Also just play one of the million other gachas and choose a female main character)

[Boredfrom]

Why this game would have a lesbian romance? 

[BIONIC]

Benji content:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-519#post-153294982

Real talk, other than Dragon Age, are there any prominent, narratively important trans characters in non-indie videogames at all, who aren't in relatively small side roles? The only examples I can think of are Tylor in Tell Me Why and Lev in The Last of Us (both of whom are transmasc), and maybe getting a bone thrown once in a while in hero shooters with large ensemble casts.

Honestly, I'm not even sure there are enough characters to form conclusions about representation on that level… with so few examples you can't even begin to form a picture of what trans representation looks like in mainstream games, other than "basically nonexistent."

My own personal experience working in the industry is that most of the higher-ups are afraid to include any trans characters in major roles because it is perceived as inherently political, and thus a risk to sales, and I haven't seen any evidence otherwise in games from other studios. I don't see this changing for a long while given the current climate, either.

Yeah, I mentioned individual characters in ensemble casts like hero shooters already, fighting games are the same thing. I don't really consider those great quality or nuanced representation, though I guess it's better than nothing. But in most cases those characters usually feel like their trans identity is at most ticking a box.

And let's be real, until recently Bridget was handled extremely poorly, not even counting the fanbase's reaction to her. Things have improved but I'd hardly hold her up as a great example of positive rep, it's just the bare minimum for the devs to not continue being flagrant transphobic assholes.

" (both of whom are transmasc" if i speak on this at length i fear a lot of people will be mad at me but the tldr is i feel like theres an unfortunate consistent trend of transmasc rep/visibility being lower but skewing more neutral or positive vs transfemmes being shown more but in negative lights and it bums me the fuck out and its hard to discuss w/o being written off as transmisandry

ETA: I also agree with your wider point, we are so under represented in games it would be impossible to try and find trends in games

Big agree on this, it's a really frustrating thing to see. Sometimes I get worried I'm not doing enough to present myself feminine but have to remind myself that it's okay, and that I shouldn't judge myself for stuff I wouldn't judge cis women for. There's a definite trend of gendering hobbies, and I think a lot of people when discussing female protagonists can lose sight of the implications. Like I think theres a point to "a properly understood and written female character isn't just a male character with the serial numbers filed off" but that's a definite close line to "women should be X"

No, I think you're 100% right that transmasc representation is often more positive in nature. I am not sure I have a specific thought as to the why, but my gut feeling is it prolly has something to do with the way transmasc folks aren't as outwardly objectified by most media in the way transfemme characters are. I also think that among cis folks who style themselves as allies, they may realize that transmascs have way less representation in media, and so that might drive them to provide more positive and visible representation as a way to counteract that. But yeah, like I said, there are also so few examples of meaningful and nuaned depictions of trans folks in larger-budget games in general, that it's very hard to draw broader conclusions or trends about how we're seen or depicted.

All I know from my personal experience in the field is there's sometimes a desire among cishet game devs to include trans and nonbinary rep, but they often don't handle it well... i.e. they don't involve queer folks in the process, don't seek enough feedback, "answer shop" to validate negative depictions rather than fix the problems, or just get cold feet and minimize or remove it entirely. As one of the few openly queer people on my team I've been asked a few times here and there about what I thought about something, for instance... and in most of those cases my opinion was downplayed or ignored, and when I've chosen to speak up most folks were too embarrassed to do or say anything. Often the answer is "it's too late to fix this" and responsibility is abdicated that way... even though they could have easily made better decisions earlier in the process if they had bothered to think or consult before it became an issue.

Indie games are a different story, and thankfully we have far more positive representation coming out of those titles... the sense I get with those is that there are often more LGBTQ+ folks on indie teams proportionally depending on the project, there are fewer stakeholers to get in the way, and those writing and designing the characters may be queer or trans themselves so have personal experience to draw on. Things are so much better than they used to be, it'd just be nice if AA and AAA companies weren't such pearl clutching lowkey 'phobe bitches about it.

I totally get where you're coming from, and honestly it was ultimately part of why I decided identifying as non-binary made more sense than transitioning.

Like I always knew I was kind of right in the middle of the gender divide, and I always thought treating so many things as if they had to be gendered was silly. Ultimately it was that view point which helped me make my personal choice, like there are so many people of different genders that are super cool and don't need to fit some strict gender mold, why put myself through all the uncertainty of HRT so I can be just a little bit on the other side of a gender divide when I think the whole concept of gendering things doesn't make sense anyways.

It was honestly so freeing to realize I could just be myself, enjoy the things I enjoy and wear things I like. I can still have my muscular athletic build, but wear dresses and makeup, or androgynous stuff, or even a suit if I want, whatever I feel like.

I totally get why people feel like they need to conform to some degree to the idea of gender though because there are a lot of people in society who feel bound by it and turn that into hate and intolerance, and so trying to just be totally free from it means accepting that people are always going to view you as kind of strange (for me that is always how I've personally felt though).

Admittedly I feel like I'm often reluctant to talk about this because I could totally see someone completely misreading this as me being against transitioning, which isn't the case at all I totally understand that people that feel like they are totally in the wrong body for what they identify as would need HRT in order to present the way they want, and I fully support them.

I do think everyone, regardless of gender identity, could help break down the walls that currently exist which try to enforce the concept of binary gender though. People should be free to express themselves however they want

I think your last point is probably the major reason, but I feel like to a much lesser degree companies might just also be afraid of misrepresenting these types of characters too.

While I enjoyed Taash in DA: Veilguard I didn't really get the impression that was a universal feeling, and I think some people found the handling of their coming to terms with being NB too abrupt or abrasive.

With trans characters I think you have the added challenge that if they've already fully transitioned then bringing that up could potentially be fairly weird (and the story would have to justify why it is being discussed, and/or have some way to call attention to it so the player even knew). Characters that are in the middle of transitioning seem very rare even across all games, and I imagine that is partially because it could easily be seen as offensive if it was mishandled.

Obviously in both cases I think if there were more attempts made then companies would likely figure out how to get it right

Yeah, this is actually one of my pet peeves with media that portrays trans folks:

• They almost always have access to medical transition, and are usually pretty deep into it. Medical transition is held up as a de-facto ideal and standard for validity and acceptance, which is also framed as the inherent end goal of transition.
  
• The characters almost always fit into binary gender categories and presentations, and the complexities of gender identity and presentation are rarely discussed.
  
• The content rarely reckons with all the Bad Shit that comes with being trans: discrimination, access to care, financial impacts, legal hurdles, everyday stress, etc.
  

All the kind of stuff that the (mostly cis) writers, producers, designers, etc. rarely know or think about, or are too skeezed to confront, so rarely do. So instead we get trans characters who are always at the "end" of their transitions and often all the messy stuff is in the past, where it doesn't have to be considered or confronted except as a problem that has already been solved.

I totally agree. Honestly I feel like there are also a bunch of times where characters are just trans based purely on the creators saying that is the case with close to or actually nothing else in the media itself to actually back that up, and it honestly feels kind of hollow for all the reasons you listed. On the one hand I don't need all my media about queer people to focus on their struggles and suffering, but on the other it feels totally unrelatable to have a character who by the magic of being a fictional character can look perfect and exists in a world where their gender identity and way they present it was seemingly never an issue.

I will say since I forgot to bring it up in my original post that I do genuinely appreciate that a lot of games, including AAA ones, now allow a lot more freedom with character creators to actually create characters with different body types (which aren't labeled as gendered), and more games are giving the option where you can specify the pronouns you prefer. Obviously I'd still love to have more queer characters that are part of the story too though.

[Snoopy]

The Mario movie was ok I suppose, although I didn't get why this dedication was in the end credits



Weird

[Boredfrom]

The characters almost always fit into binary gender categories and presentations, and the complexities of gender identity and presentation are rarely discussed.

They are doing a favor to your cause, my dudes.

[HaughtyFrank]

I totally get where you're coming from, and honestly it was ultimately part of why I decided identifying as non-binary made more sense than transitioning.

Like I always knew I was kind of right in the middle of the gender divide, and I always thought treating so many things as if they had to be gendered was silly. Ultimately it was that view point which helped me make my personal choice, like there are so many people of different genders that are super cool and don't need to fit some strict gender mold, why put myself through all the uncertainty of HRT so I can be just a little bit on the other side of a gender divide when I think the whole concept of gendering things doesn't make sense anyways.

It was honestly so freeing to realize I could just be myself, enjoy the things I enjoy and wear things I like. I can still have my muscular athletic build, but wear dresses and makeup, or androgynous stuff, or even a suit if I want, whatever I feel like.

I totally get why people feel like they need to conform to some degree to the idea of gender though because there are a lot of people in society who feel bound by it and turn that into hate and intolerance, and so trying to just be totally free from it means accepting that people are always going to view you as kind of strange (for me that is always how I've personally felt though).

Admittedly I feel like I'm often reluctant to talk about this because I could totally see someone completely misreading this as me being against transitioning, which isn't the case at all I totally understand that people that feel like they are totally in the wrong body for what they identify as would need HRT in order to present the way they want, and I fully support them.

I do think everyone, regardless of gender identity, could help break down the walls that currently exist which try to enforce the concept of binary gender though. People should be free to express themselves however they want

Congrats on discovering 90s feminism. Why the fuck would you have to identify as non-binary for this though?

[Uncle]

I will bang the drum again: it's because every time you put a gender nonconformist in a video game, it will be attacked to hell by both sides

it is stepping on a landmine for no reason at all

going back to the old standards:

baldur's gate sword of dragonspear: the dwarf immediately outs herself to the player characters when the whole point of transitioning is to hide/forget what you used to be and embrace your new self, incredibly problematic that a trans would out themselves like that

mass effect andromeda: the chick immediately outs herself to the player characters when the whole point of transitioning is to hide/forget what you used to be and embrace your new self, incredibly problematic that a trans would out themselves like that

tell me why: wraps its representation in bubble wrap, see it's problematic that it never has anyone mistreat the trans person, it shows that everything works out and there's a minimum of bullying and abuse which is depressing for real trans people

red strings club: sabotaged its own attempt at doing transness right by allowing the player to discover a deadname as a plot point, which is illegal and hurtful

dead by daylight: added a new monster voiced by a trans person, a monster which flips between masculine and feminine representations and looks like a horrific parody of what conservatives think of trans people, the voice actor was dragged and somewhat canceled for having harmed trans people and not thinking about what the fuck they were recording for

cyberpunk: mix it up ad is incredibly transphobic even though it was made by a trans person, and the one trans person in the game calls her truck "the beast" which apparently is something all conservatives call trans people so that's also transphobic

dragonguard the veil age:



   

[benji]

I totally agree. Honestly I feel like there are also a bunch of times where characters are just trans based purely on the creators saying that is the case with close to or actually nothing else in the media itself to actually back that up, and it honestly feels kind of hollow for all the reasons you listed.

What's this transphobic shit? What else is needed other than someone simply identifying as trans to be proven as trans? This is close to transmedicalism which is genocide. And Era just allows it?

On the one hand I don't need all my media about queer people to focus on their struggles and suffering, but on the other it feels totally unrelatable to have a character who by the magic of being a fictional character can look perfect and exists in a world where their gender identity and way they present it was seemingly never an issue.

You really don't want games to spend time on establishing the context and meaning of gender in their fictional realities. Like holy fucking shit what a nightmare.

[benji]

Yeah, this is actually one of my pet peeves with media that portrays trans folks:

• They almost always have access to medical transition, and are usually pretty deep into it. Medical transition is held up as a de-facto ideal and standard for validity and acceptance, which is also framed as the inherent end goal of transition.
  
• The characters almost always fit into binary gender categories and presentations, and the complexities of gender identity and presentation are rarely discussed.
  
• The content rarely reckons with all the Bad Shit that comes with being trans: discrimination, access to care, financial impacts, legal hurdles, everyday stress, etc.
  

All the kind of stuff that the (mostly cis) writers, producers, designers, etc. rarely know or think about, or are too skeezed to confront, so rarely do. So instead we get trans characters who are always at the "end" of their transitions and often all the messy stuff is in the past, where it doesn't have to be considered or confronted except as a problem that has already been solved.

Are there any games that do this for any demographic?

[Alpacx]

On the one hand I don't need all my media about queer people to focus on their struggles and suffering, but on the other it feels totally unrelatable to have a character who by the magic of being a fictional character can look perfect and exists in a world where their gender identity and way they present it was seemingly never an issue.

You really don't want games to spend time on establishing the context and meaning of gender in their fictional realities. Like holy fucking shit what a nightmare.

Trans Dead or Alive Volleyball. They can have Noem's husband and that Ontario teacher as playable characters.

[Uncle]

Yeah, this is actually one of my pet peeves with media that portrays trans folks:

• They almost always have access to medical transition, and are usually pretty deep into it. Medical transition is held up as a de-facto ideal and standard for validity and acceptance, which is also framed as the inherent end goal of transition.
  
• The characters almost always fit into binary gender categories and presentations, and the complexities of gender identity and presentation are rarely discussed.
  
• The content rarely reckons with all the Bad Shit that comes with being trans: discrimination, access to care, financial impacts, legal hurdles, everyday stress, etc.
  

All the kind of stuff that the (mostly cis) writers, producers, designers, etc. rarely know or think about, or are too skeezed to confront, so rarely do. So instead we get trans characters who are always at the "end" of their transitions and often all the messy stuff is in the past, where it doesn't have to be considered or confronted except as a problem that has already been solved.

Are there any games that do this for any demographic?

the perfect game, according to this person's ideals:

• guy who says he is a girl but never even attempts to pass, no voice training, doesn't bother to shave because depressed, still has a penis
  
• even though he says he is a girl he rejects the binary and does not enjoy anything girly, he likes video games and football
  
• he is relentlessly bullied by his peers for trying to say he's a woman, in light of the above
  

surely a game that wouldn't be controversial in the least

[BananaBlast]

link

(That said, I do think gooner games have a right to exist. Shit like Nikke grosses me out, but I know I would 100% be there if there was a male version, so it'd be hypocritical of me to say it shouldn't be a thing at all lol.)

"I'm disgusted by anime girls wobbling their bootycheeks, but I'd totally salivate and goon over if it was anime men." 

[Taco Bell Tower]

link

(That said, I do think gooner games have a right to exist. Shit like Nikke grosses me out, but I know I would 100% be there if there was a male version, so it'd be hypocritical of me to say it shouldn't be a thing at all lol.)

"I'm disgusted by anime girls wobbling their bootycheeks, but I'd totally salivate and goon over if it was anime men." 

He had to make sure to point it out

Only speaking for my own opinions here, but I'm honestly okay with sexualization IF it's appropriate for the game in question, is only a small portion of the game if not relevant to its story/themes, actually fits the character, and--most importantly for me--is equal opportunity. If you have female characters going around in bikini armor, I wanna see some pretty non-male-fantasy dudes *also* in bikini armor. If a character is a lawyer or something I'm supposed to take seriously, don't freaking design them with their ass hanging out. If you want to be horny but the game's point isn't to be horny, include it as an option but make sure there are plenty of non-horny alternatives and, again, make it equal opportunity.

(That said, I do think gooner games have a right to exist. Shit like Nikke grosses me out, but I know I would 100% be there if there was a male version, so it'd be hypocritical of me to say it shouldn't be a thing at all lol.)

The rub, though, is that there is barely anything out there of note that panders to women in the same way a shit ton of games pander to men. Some JRPGs have thrown out a few bones over the years (FF and NieR come to mind), but that's feeling less and less common these days, and even then the sexualization was always still incredibly lopsided. I haven't played it myself so could be off base here, but I always got the impression Hades was fairly equal opportunity and tasteful with its depictions of sexualization? And then I suppose there's LaDS in the gacha scene, but it's pretty much the only major example out of dozens of equal or higher quality sexualized waifu games. Otherwise.... yeah, I'm drawing blanks. Against the dozens upon dozens *upon dozens* of games I could list off that sexualize tf outta women.

And so, when the entire industry is just so ridiculously lopsided across the board like things are now, to the point that the status quo is basically "Men = Heroes; Women = Sex Objects (and maybe also heroes, but *sexy* heroes)," it kinda makes pretty much every instance of female sexualization inherently problematic just by virtue of feeding further into that existing imbalance. And I don't think it *should* be this way, but the reality is what it is.

So, imo, until we reach a point where the rampant sexualization of women is reduced, sexualization as a whole is turned more equal, and "men = heroes; women = sex objects" is no longer the default state of things, it's just not gonna be possible to find an example truly devoid of any issues at all. (And even then, even if we did ever manage to reach that point, sex is such a messy topic that there will undoubtedly always be reasons for someone out there to find depictions of sexualization problematic.)

[Alpacx]

Watching Spawn Wave from Friday and the Steam Deck 2 leak was first posted to NeoGAF? Big Resetera L

[Boredfrom]

(And even then, even if we did ever manage to reach that point, sex is such a messy topic that there will undoubtedly always be reasons for someone out there to find depictions of sexualization problematic.)

Gee, I wonder why?

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eric-kripke-is-%E2%80%9Cbummed%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%98the-boys%E2%80%99-final-season-was-written-before-2024-election-notes-some-dystopian-plot-points-have-%E2%80%9Calready-happened%E2%80%9D.1482709/#post-153418135
Uzumaki Goku

A bit off topic, but has anyone claimed the OT?

[simiansmarts]

Yeah, this is actually one of my pet peeves with media that portrays trans folks:

• They almost always have access to medical transition, and are usually pretty deep into it. Medical transition is held up as a de-facto ideal and standard for validity and acceptance, which is also framed as the inherent end goal of transition.
  
• The characters almost always fit into binary gender categories and presentations, and the complexities of gender identity and presentation are rarely discussed.
  
• The content rarely reckons with all the Bad Shit that comes with being trans: discrimination, access to care, financial impacts, legal hurdles, everyday stress, etc.
  

All the kind of stuff that the (mostly cis) writers, producers, designers, etc. rarely know or think about, or are too skeezed to confront, so rarely do. So instead we get trans characters who are always at the "end" of their transitions and often all the messy stuff is in the past, where it doesn't have to be considered or confronted except as a problem that has already been solved.

Are there any games that do this for any demographic?

the perfect game, according to this person's ideals:

• guy who says he is a girl but never even attempts to pass, no voice training, doesn't bother to shave because depressed, still has a penis
  
• even though he says he is a girl he rejects the binary and does not enjoy anything girly, he likes video games and football
  
• he is relentlessly bullied by his peers for trying to say he's a woman, in light of the above
  

surely a game that wouldn't be controversial in the least

Wait a minute...that's just Echoes the WLW warrior!!!

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gop-governor-candidate-for-florida-james-fishback-tells-a-black-man-to-his-face-he-should-be-lynched.1482562/#post-153403462

It's not even just the politicians. It's just society as a whole. We need to go back to the time when these fuckers were scared to say this shit out loud and stayed under whatever shit covered rock they lived under to coward their life away

When exactly was that?

And now it's been mask off since 2017. DeSantis was a nobody up against a black candidate that won a primary out of nowhere

DeSantis was a multi-term Congressman. And the guy he beat in the GOP primary led every Dem candidate in the hypothetical polls.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gop-governor-candidate-for-florida-james-fishback-tells-a-black-man-to-his-face-he-should-be-lynched.1482562/#post-153417238

When was that?

I'm not really sure who you are referring to but DeSantis isn't some nobody.

DeSantis was first elected to Congress in 2012 and was reelected in 2014 and 2016. He was a multi-term Congressman and is now the Gov of Florida.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/april-1-2026-trump-to-address-the-nation-and-basically-tell-everybody-how-great-he-is-scheduled-for-9pm-et.1479298/page-8#post-153319792

  User banned (1 week): trolling

Quick reminder the Democrats lost to this guy. Twice.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Why this game would have a lesbian romance? 

*watching Heated Rivalry*

Where's the lesbian romance? 

Fucking bigots.